Waiting on Wednesday

Waiting on Wednesday is a weekly blog post by Jill over at Breaking the Spine, that spotlights releases we're eagerly awaiting.
 
 
While camping in a remote location, Maddie Davenport gathers around the fire with her friends and family to tell scary stories. Caleb, the handsome young guide, shares the local legend of the ferocious Mountain Men who hunt unsuspecting campers and leave their mark by carving grisly antlers into their victims' foreheads.

The next day, the story comes true.

Now Maddie and her family are lost in the deep woods--with no way out--being stalked by their worst nightmares. Because there were other, more horrifying stories told that night--and Maddie's about to find out just how they end...
 
 
 
 
As I write this, I just successfully made a trade to get this one!! So I still have a wait...especially with the review books currently on my plate but it's definitely going to be shorter than before! This sounds creepy good and I can't wait to read it!


TITLE: Campfire
AUTHOR: Shawn Sarles

PUBLISHER: Jimmy Patterson Books
GENRE: Horror YA
RELEASE DATE: July 17, 2018





GRAPHIC NOVEL REVIEW--The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen & Ill. by Emilie Majarian

Follow Gerda on an adventure to find her friend Kay, who has been taken by the Snow Queen!

Seven vignettes in a graphic novel format make up Hans Christian Andersen’s fairy tale The Snow Queen, which depicts the struggle between good and evil. More than 100 pages of illustrated action and adventure await! A demon creates a magic mirror that reflects negative thoughts. His minions break it, and shards of the mirror get into the hearts and eyes of citizens all over the land. Gerda’s friend Kay is affected, and is lured away by the Snow Queen to become her palace slave. Follow Gerda’s adventures in her quest to rescue her friend and restore his compassion!
 








I received this book from the publisher in exchange for an honest and voluntary review. I was in way compensated for this review.
 

The next Dark Tales graphic novel I received was The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen and illustrated by Emilie Majarian. It’s been a very long time since I read the original The Snow Queen, but I do remember some bits and pieces of it. So I can’t really say how much creativity and differences were taken with this story version. I felt like it followed the original tale rather well though, all things considered.

The story starts off with a group of demons creating a mirror that shows ones ugliest parts on the inside. When the mirror is broken over a town, bits and pieces fall into the townspeople’s eyes and their uglier nature comes to fore. The demons being pleased with this kind of chaos decided to create more mirrors and break them over towns.

This is where we meet two best friends named Kay and Gerda. They were neighbors and practically grew up together. So when a piece of cursed mirror enters Kay’s eyes and heart, he turns into a cold-hearted person and basically torments Gerda. It’s when he’s out with friends one night that he encounters the Snow Queen and they are enchanted with one another and he willing goes with her to her ice palace very far away.

After months of waiting for Kay to return, Gerda decides it’s time to take action and she sets off to find her friend despite his cruel treatment to her. She encounters a series of characters who will prove to either be friend or foe on her journey. The Snow Queen is, in a sense, a story about love and friendship.

I have to commend the artist Emilie Majarian on her artwork! It was quite beautiful, though I thought the Snow Queen was a little more terrifying than beautiful, but perhaps that was her intent. I remember this being one of Hans’ longer stories, so for it to have been condensed so thoroughly into a graphic novel gets its own kind of praise. Again, I haven’t read the original in some years, but I felt like the bulk of the tale was here and hit the many high points of the story.

The world was rather frightening, for Gerda to have traveled it all by herself was astonishing. I want to say she might have been near her preteens years, it’s hard to say. I remember in the original tale, she was a rather young girl, not the classic sixteen we tend to see in most fairy tales either.

This was yet another beautifully done graphic novel based on a fairy tale! I truly think we need more of these in the world! I’ve always loved fairy tales and having them condensed into graphic novels is entertaining, like seeing the Disney movies kind of entertaining. Though, here the novels tend to stick to the original story a bit more, which is rather nice.

This is definitely a good read for people wanting to know the origins of The Snow Queen story, as Disney kind of turned it on its head with Frozen, though in their early storyboards they were going to keep with the villain theme, obviously that didn’t stick. A most enjoyable read I’d recommend to all fairy tale fans once again!

 

Overall Rating 4.5/5 stars





SAVE ABOSAT!!

Hello all, today I want to talk you about a beloved series of mine that is in danger of being cancelled. And technically, is cancelled temporarily for the moment. Though I have had seen a previously loved series cancelled and then 6 years later the finale was written, though let's hope it doesn't take nearly this long to save A Book of Spirit and Thieves!

I know many of you may have read the Falling Kingdom series and enjoyed that, but did you know that A Book of Spirit and Thieves takes pace in the same world? True we don't get to see our beloved characters, but we have a whole cast of new ones to fall in love with instead!

The book is sort of divided in half, we still have our multiple narrators telling the story from different angles. Half of them are in modern-day Toronto and the other characters are in a very familiar place, Mytica. Though Mytica is set in the past, as in our favorite heroes haven't quite been born yet (from my gatherings).

In the first book alone, Becca touches a mysterious book and collapses into a coma. Unbeknownst to her family, her spirit has traveled to Mytica and has no idea how to get home. She meets Maddox, a boy who thinks she's a ghost and the two form a friendship of sorts.

Back home, Crystal is trying figure out what's so special about the book Becca had been looking at. Then she meets Farrell Grayson who's a member of the super secret Hawkspear Society that is after that very book. Farrell will remind you of another arrogant sort of character, but we all know how that one lasted! Lol!

I realize that at the time, we had these first two books coming out among the Falling Kingdom books, which had its own list of narrators. For some, I know too many points of view can be difficult, it can for me at times as well and it might have overwhelmed me when I started Falling Kingdoms but it wasn't long before I couldn't get enough of it. So if too many points of view was why you held off reading this series, I hope you would give it a second chance now that the Falling Kingdoms series has come to an end! It's really the PERFECT time to start reading this series.

As it stands we only have two books in what was meant to be a trilogy. If we can make miracles happen and I truly believe that we can, all we need is for Morgan to write that one last book, because OMG the cliffhangers! I know, I know, I am asking you to read and possibly post reviews around the web about this series and how awesome it is...I am asking you to read a 2/3 books where one ends in some pretty dicey cliffhangers. I know, it's hard, it's unthinkable! I would never willing do this to any of you, but you guys...CLIFFHANGERS! I am already suffering!!

Imagine one of your favorite series, one that ended in cliffhangers on occasion. Now think of the book that ended with the biggest cliffhanger of them all...and now imagine the publisher saying WE'RE DONE! I've already had to live through this with Gena Showalter's Intertwined series. I've lived with hearing there would be a book and then the next year being told nope, not happening! I've lived through SO MUCH heartache with cancelled series and the teasing of there being a finale and it never happening.

But if we can all continue to buy this series, continue to post reviews on websites like Amazon, Goodreads, Barnes and Noble, Books-a-Million and all the other bookish places that I am not aware of, I know, I KNOW we can get the publisher and likely Morgan too, to write that final book! I've seen it happen you guys! It's happened after 6 long years in between the books (I'm going on 7 years of agony with Gena's series). Anyone else remember Nancy Holder and Debbie Viguie's Wicked series? Yeah, that series started in the early 2000s and was cancelled in the early 2000s, it wasn't until 2009 that we got the finale. So it has happened before!

Since we're just coming up to 2 years since The Darkest Magic released we're not doing too bad. The publishing schedule had to change for reasons as Falling Kingdoms was overlapping and time constraints and other little things had happened for Morgan. So I haven't completely lost my mind. Though Amazon telling me just last week that The Cursed Thief would be releasing this August was a punch to the gut since it's clearly not (and yes I had this one preordered already! I preordered almost a year ago to the day...unless I've passed that day, I'm not in that email at the moment).

We can make this happen you guys, we can get the publishers to change their mind! Sales and numbers all matter. So we need to make sure we've bought the books to this series and read them and then post reviews at all the right websites. It doesn't have to be overly long, but we're readers and reviewers and let's face it, sometimes we talk a lot about books--I am most definitely pointing at myself here! Lol!

So if you've read and loved the Falling Kingdoms series I beseech you to now read the Spirits and Thieves series! It's just as entertaining, exiting, spine-tingling and oh-so-incredibly-amazing as Morgan's first series! So please, please help save ABOSAT! Help put an end to the pain and insanity that readers like me are now going through! You can make a difference! You can change the publisher's minds! I know we can do this!!

Here is the post that Morgan wrote just last week about the series and what spurred me to write this mile long post!

And if you'd like, here are the reviews I wrote of A Book of Spirits and Thieves and The Darkest Magic! Read them and see how freaking awesome this series is and why it MUST BE SAVED!!!

Here's what I am going to do! I am going to give away copies of A Book of Spirits and Thieves and The Darkest Magic to one lucky reader! It's open to wherever the Book Depository will ship, so international folks, this means you!!! Here's the rafflecopter, now have at it!!



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Teaser & Top Ten Tuesdays

Teaser Tuesday is a weekly feature hosted by Purple Princess of The Purple Booker.


Here are the rules:

1. Grab your current read
2. Open to a page
3. Pick out 2 lines that are SPOILER FREE
4. Name the title, author, etc.



Okay, so as I write this I am actually finishing up with Shadow of the Fox and am not certain what I will be reading come Tuesday, so I thought, why not just share a teaser from this one?!


"The ronin blew out a breath. 'Well, there's nothing around here,' he said. 'Let's see where the glowing dead person wants to take us.'" p 362*


*Quote comes from the ARC, therefore it and its page number are not final.










TITLE: The Shadow of the Fox
AUTHOR: Julie Kagawa
PUBLISHER: Harlequin Teen
GENRE: Fantasy YA
RELEASE DATE: October 2, 2018 


Top Ten Tuesday was created by The Broke and the Bookish in June of 2010 and was moved to That Artsy Reader Girl in January of 2018. It was born of a love of lists, a love of books, and a desire to bring bookish friends together.


This week's topic is: Top Ten Best Character Names 


*in no particular order


The Boys

10. DAEMON--it's that extra "e"! I don't know why but ever since I saw Jennifer spell it this way, I can't get over that name! Plus the character attached to it, is just awesome! Lol!
9. HUNTER--maybe because it's a noun and that's just cool or maybe stemming from my love of Shawn Hunter...I've just always loved the name Hunter! Naturally, Jennifer has one of these too!
8. AUBREY--more of a unique name, plus since this was my first vampire novel and my first book boyfriend ever, he holds a special place in my heart!

7. ADRIAN--I can't remember if I was introduced to the name Adrian through Richelle or not. I want to say not. Adrian has been the name of one of my heroes in a WIP for years. So I guess that's why I became so attached to the name and was happy to see it pop up in one of my favorite spinoff series! 
6. ETHAN--another name from a WIP and another I became attached to. Not sure how or why, but then I met Chloe's Ethan and I knew the name was going to continue being a favorite!


 

The Girls


5. JESSICA--I know, I know! But you never realize how cool it is to see your name printed in a book! It's weird, my name was always so popular in school. There'd be like 3 Jessicas in class and I hardly ever saw the name used in books I read. There was one book as a kid-kid, but this was my first YA book with a Jessica! Hence why it's so special to me!
4. EMBER--again with the using a noun as a name! It's just cool!!! Plus Ember was freaking awesome!
3. FAYTHE--though she drove me nuts at times, I gotta admit, I loved the way her name was spelt! Yes, there's Faith and that's cool, but this spelling was just fun to type (as I typed it in my reviews since book 3 was when I started my blog!)!


2. CHARLEY--again with the unique spelling and giving a nickname to Charlotte that's sometimes seen as masculine, Charlie. I like the different spellings of common names! It's just fun to see! I'm a geek! 
1. KAYLEE--another Rachel Vincent name and another one that's just kind of new to me! I don't think I've met another Kaylee in book or real life! 



BONUS NAME!

RILEY!!!!

I love the name Riley, whether it's being used as a boy name or a girl name! Here are two of my favorite reads wherein we have a Riley. Yes, my beloved Intertwined had a Riley and though he was sort of a secondary character, he was still one of my favorites! I miss you Riley!!!

Then there's my first gal pal Riley from Jana Oliver's The Demon Trapper's Daughter! Riley was a badass and I loved her! She was tough as nails and still had her girlyness too if I recall--I still have some of Jana's self-pubbed books in the series to read, so I'm a bit behind! Lol!

But yeah, I love the name Riley!




 

GRAPHIC NOVEL REVIEW--Beauty and the Beast: A Modern Retelling by Jeanne-Marie Leprince & Ill. by Pete Katz

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

This modern retelling of the classic fairy tale of Beauty and the Beast is told here in a graphic novel format. More than 100 pages of illustrated action, adventure, and love teach a lesson to look beyond the surface and learn to love what’s underneath. A merchant takes shelter in a castle during a thunderstorm, and ends up striking a bargain with its beastly master. His youngest daughter, Beauty, returns to the castle to live in exchange for a restoration of the family’s previous wealth. Beauty befriends Beast, but longs to see her family again. He allows her to visit her former home, but when she doesn’t return at the designated time, consequences ensue.






I received this book from the publisher in exchange for an honest and voluntary review. I was in no way compensated for this review.

As you all know, I am a huge fan of fairy tales and retellings! When I was contacted about reviewing some graphic novel versions of beloved tales, I knew right away that I had to get Beauty and the Beast: A Modern Retelling from Jeanne-Marie Leprince’s version of the story, for I learned a few people enhanced upon Villeneuve’s version. Pete Katz provided the artwork which I thought was done very well. It definitely has a fairy tale kind of vibe to it, wherein the heroes are seen as better than the villains and evil siblings.

The story is the same as we all know and love, let’s step away from the Disney version for anything familiar from that was pretty much from the original as well. Beauty feels guilt over her father’s punishment from the Beast he encountered when traveling home from a trip that proved to be fruitless. When the Beast asked for her to come in her father’s place, she’s only too willing to agree for she is just that kind of thoughtful person, unlike her siblings who remained selfish to their cores.

There were some new twists to the story, as it’s been awhile since I read the original version, so I can’t recall if the faeries had much to do with the Beast’s curse. In this one, they do, as it was when the selfish prince snubbed the faery willing to marry him by flirting with another. She cursed the prince and the faery as well, while the prince was turned into a Beast, the faery was trapped in a mirror that allowed her to communicate with the Beast, and soon Beauty as well.

There was also the added theme of demons in the mix, for the castle was indeed enchanted—no enchanted objects beside the mirror—and a demon guarded it. He rises once a year to battle with whoever should be living there and if they lose, he gets their soul. Since the Beast has been living there for years, he’s bested the demon many times, so it’s never been much of an issue.

Beauty was definitely a character to behold. Yes, she’s the kind and loving Beauty from the original fairy tale, but this Beauty has an added edge! She can knows her way around a bow and arrow if the cover gives you any idea. I liked that she was sort of like other Beautys I’ve come across in different retellings. She’s no simpering princess sort that needs to be rescued, that’s for sure.

As I find with most graphic novels, this one was definitely a page turner! It didn’t take me long to read the book at all. Since it’s a story I already know and love it made for easier page turning. I did like the inclusion of back stories as well, in this I mean we get on a tangent of something that’s happened already and the illustrations change. Much like the way Disney did the backstory with the glass windows.

The ending definitely took me by surprise. While it ends in a slightly less fairy tale traditional way, I must say I loved it and yet, it’s a bit cliffhangery too! I’m practically foaming at the mouth wanting a sequel, but I don’t think there’s meant to be one! It just has that kind of ending that takes you aback and leaves you wanting more! It was definitely a head turner!

Overall, I quite enjoyed this graphic novel! I’ve never read one before that was based on a fairy tale and takes it on a new spin! It was quite the entertaining read and I highly recommend this to all fairy tale and especially, Beauty and the Beast fans! It’s not one to be missed!


Overall Rating 5/5 stars—even with that bit of a cliffhanger, I can’t seem to take off points! It was too good, even if there will never be a sequel! Lol! 






ARC Review--Legendary by Stephanie Garber

Stephanie Garber’s limitless imagination takes flight once more in the colorful, mesmerizing, and immersive sequel to the bestselling breakout debut Caraval

A heart to protect. A debt to repay. A game to win.

After being swept up in the magical world of Caraval, Donatella Dragna has finally escaped her father and saved her sister Scarlett from a disastrous arranged marriage. The girls should be celebrating, but Tella isn’t yet free. She made a desperate bargain with a mysterious criminal, and what Tella owes him no one has ever been able to deliver: Caraval Master Legend’s true name.

The only chance of uncovering Legend’s identity is to win Caraval, so Tella throws herself into the legendary competition once more—and into the path of the murderous heir to the throne, a doomed love story, and a web of secrets…including her sister's. Caraval has always demanded bravery, cunning, and sacrifice. But now the game is asking for more. If Tella can’t fulfill her bargain and deliver Legend’s name, she’ll lose everything she cares about—maybe even her life. But if she wins, Legend and Caraval will be destroyed forever.

Welcome, welcome to Caraval...the games have only just begun.


I received this ARC from the publisher in exchange for an honest and voluntary review. I was in no way compensated for this review.

Stephanie Garber once again sweeps us away into the mesmerizing world that is Caraval, only this time, in Legendary, the game is far more different than we could have ever suspected. The world may be the same, but there is still much to learn about Caraval itself and I am so utterly blown away that I find it hard to get my feet back on the ground in reality!

As you may know already, Legendary is a companion to Caraval, this time it’s Tella’s turn to shine. Her mysterious friend who played a part in getting her and Scarlett into Caraval the first time around has come to collect his payment. What he asks for is simple, he wants Legend’s true name. In order to gain that information, Tella will have to play Caraval and win the game in order to come face to face with the mysterious Legend. There’s a lot more at play this time around then the game itself. Tella and Scarlett’s past comes to the forefront in this one and Tella is determined to get some answers, though it’s going to be harder than she could ever guess.

The stakes are definitely higher in this one, for Tella’s mysterious benefactor, Jacks, is a far more sinister type. He asks for the impossible and if Tella can’t deliver, well, it won’t be good for her! Then there’s Dante who played a bit of a role in her getting into trouble with Jacks in the first place, but yet the boy just doesn’t leave her alone. After spending the night together after the first Caraval, Tella was ready to walk away from him, as she’s been known to do with any boy she kisses, but Dante isn’t one to be walked away from. He just keeps coming back. I will admit, their interactions were enjoyable! If I wasn’t laughing at their antics I was positively swooning over something Dante said or did. These two were just wow! I thought I was totally for Scarlett and Julian, but I have to say I think Tella and Dante are definitely my favorite Caraval couple!

There’s definitely an added tension to this one that I feel like wasn’t quite there in the same way in Caraval. Tella has a much more pressing deadline to win the game this time and get what Jacks is demanding. She’s also still trying hard to solve the mystery of what happened to her mother. Tella was always more hurt by her leaving than Scarlett was.

Though Scarlett was still in this story every now and then, she wasn’t as present as I would’ve thought. There were reasons for that and I guess it’s more fitting that Tella has her own journey through Caraval on her own like Scarlett did.

The ending left me emotional, let’s say that! There were answers and then there were the things that were left unsaid. At the time of writing this, I haven’t heard if there will be more to come with this world. It’s my greatest hope that there is!

Legendary is a befitting title for this companion to Caraval. It’s as magical, exciting, and stunning as its predecessor, if not a little more! There’s so much mystery and beauty to this book that I was simply swept away by Stephanie’s words! This book was pure magic! My heart aches to return to this world already and see what more adventures could be had within its pages, because I am far from ready to say goodbye just yet.  I can’t remember the last time I read a series where the magic felt so real that I lost myself from reality, but Legendary has in fact done that to me! If there’s any book recommendation you will take from me, let it be this one!


Overall Rating 5/5 stars


Legendary
releases May 29, 2018 







It's Monday! What are You Reading?

It's Monday! What Are You Reading? is hosted by Sheila at Book Journey. It's a fun meme where we gather to share what we've read last week and our reading plans for this week.


Last Week I Read:

Kill the Farm Boy by Delilah S. Dawson & Kevin Hearne (ARC)--Review to come at a later date
Shadow of the Fox by Julie Kagawa (ARC)--Review to come at a later date


Review That Was Posted:

Aftermath by Kelley Armstrong (Early Copy) (4 stars)


About to Start Reading:

Dark Tales: Beauty and the Beast by Jeanne-Marie Leprince 


What I Plan to Read this Week:

Dark Tales: The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen
Beast by Lisa Jensen (ARC)


Other Posts of Interest:






 

Stacking the Shelves

Stacking The Shelves is all about sharing the books you are adding to your shelves, may it be physical or virtual. This means you can include books you buy in physical store or online, books you borrow from friends or the library, review books, gifts and of course ebooks! The meme is now hosted by Tynga's Reviews and Reading Reality.


Well for bookishness this was a sort of quite week. I had a preorder, two review requests approved and then a Book Depository coupon was sent to me so I had to order something! Lol! Didn't do too bad all things considered!


Here's what I bought:

Valentine by Jodi McAlister--have had this on my wishlist for a year now and thought I'd buy it since I had a coupon! Only I just now learned there's a sequel!! How did TBD not tell me this?!
War Storm by Victoria Aveyard--I can FINALLY read the rest of the series now!! I just need the time! Lol!



Then for review from the publisher I received:

Stray Magic by Kelly Meding (ARC)--SO excited to read a new book from her!!
Beast by Lisa Jensen (ARC)--a little hesitant with this one because I didn't quite like Alias Hook as much as I had hoped, but this is B&tB and I had to at least give it a try!


THANK YOU Harper Voyager & Candlewick Press!!


Then some other goodies that I got this week were:

A super special sticker from Crystal Cestari and her Windy City Magic series!


THANK YOU Crystal!


A new shirt from Out of Print! My gorgeous When in Doubt Go to the Library in my Gryffindor red shirt got a hole in it after one wearing! So I wrote to them and though they couldn't get me another one of those, they did allow me to pick any other shirt, so I went with this one since I LOVE this saying!


My new blogging planner for the coming year! Not that I see the cover at all, but I thought this one was cute! Plus the lines inside are just how I like them! Already added my July scheduled reviews in it! Making progress already!



And that was my haul this week! What did you get?







 

Let's Discuss: Biggest Accomplishments

And now I've come to the last topic to discuss on this handy dandy list I found that started out as a twitter thing where so many likes get a certain question answered! I thought, why not turn that into a discussion post instead! I think I only ever skipped like 2 of them because it was something like favorite sport and I am not a sports fan, so that would've been my shortest discussion post ever! Lol! The last one today is...


Biggest Accomplishments


Finishing college with my degree in four years is definitely one of them. I am proud of myself...though of course like many, it seems, I still can't find the right job some years later. Or ever a good job of any kind as it seems employers want you to have 4-5 years of experience and could careless about a college degree. Or sometimes they want both! So yeah, finishing college in fours years is one of my accomplishments yet society makes it hard to truly enjoy it!

I guess another one truly is looking at all my lovely books, because I know I've read every single one of them! I've never lost my love of reading and oddly, I feel like that is a rather big accomplishment. I've kept up this blog for over 9 years now, getting almost to the halfway point of 10 too!

Another accomplishment is how I did finish writing a book. Granted, I still need to get back to edit it some more before I try to query it yet again. I took a too long break from writing, but I am slowly, ever so slowly, getting back to it. But still, I finished the story. There are parts that still need tweaking that I struggle to figure out, but I am working on it. I feel like that's a rather big accomplishment too!

What are some of your biggest accomplishments?






Let's Discuss: Favorite Animals

This next one has me feeling all nostalgic with childhood and how my answer would always change, yet still include one of my favorites. I don't even know how it became to be a favorite, really! lol!


Favorite Animal


As a kid, I always loved bunnies! Not sure why or how, I just loved them! They were sooooo cute!! I also came to love dogs, dolphins, seals, and polar bears! Polar bears are sooo cute too! Yeah, they could kill you with a swipe of their claws and all, but I still think they are just so cute! Possibly because they started reminding me of our polar bear of a dog that's all white and all attitude! Lol!

What are some of your favorite animals?





 

Book Blogger Hop

This meme is hosted by Billy at Ramblings of a Coffee Addict!
 
 
 
This week's question is: What were your worst movies based off of books? (submitted by Ronyell @ Rabbit Ears Book Blog
 
 
 
MY ANSWER: Without a doubt it was Blood and Chocolate by Annette Curtis Klause.
 
I loved loved LOVED this book! It was one I re-read back in the Dark Days at least three times I think. And when I heard it was made into a movie I was sooo excited. Then I saw it and I was so utterly, utterly disappointed.

If there was ever a movie that was so not based off of a book when it claims to be "based on the novel..." it was this one! Seriously the ONLY things that remained the same were the character names and the fact that Vivian, a werewolf fell in love with Aidan, a human. So yeah. Naturally, the book was freaking incredible and the movie so should have been called something else instead of sharing the title.